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 L'amoncellement des données rassemblées sur des individus rend chacun de nous peu à peu transparent. Est-ce que de là sort le désir de disparaître digitalement, de se cacher derrière des pseudonymes, des identités de web ? Comment pouvons-nous nous imaginer l'identité comme quelque chose qui se manifeste parfois, et devient après translucide ?
 Par quels mouvements les normes qui organisent une société, sont-elles produites ? Par les décisions autoritaires d'un état ? Ou par les enregistrements des études de marché, des prévisions et des statistiques ? Quels échanges ont lieu entre les organes de décision internationaux (par exemple dans le domaine de la santé et de la sécurité) et la production des statistiques qui servent comme aide lors du processus décisionnel ?
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+[[http://data.constantvzw.org/future/documents/notes_10-04-08.pdf | Notes en Cadavre Exquis (PDF document)]]
+**These are the unedited notes of the meeting. Feel free to add, adjust, edit**
 rethinking the future of constant who already know constant,
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 we envisioned a project 'feminist cartographies': proposed by Bettina knaup who is interested in making a map of feminist artistic cartographies: interactive maps of different centres of activities, artcenters ideas etc. Laurence eand nicolas proposed to make a list of basic info: names, urls's, and see how to work with that,
 beginning of juin a follow up in Potsdam, nicolas feels that woman should be part of the technical side, the samedi could maybe play a role in that?
 Femke: how is the technology itself feminist?
 Next project: Bam maps: femke explains: OSP is busy doing a layout for a book, part of that is the making of a map, based on the database of BAM: what can we read besides the info that the database contains?
+especially the hidden data are interesting: criteria for access, subsidy amounts,
+Peggy: do the people in the database know that you are twisting the data?
+Nicoas: there is a lot of classificatuib, keywords,
+Cuisine Interne Keuken: database with 80 interviews, an old project that was initiated duriong VJ7, and is now in revival: the software will be packaged: so other subjects can be archived using the same utils.
+peggy: why ask the question: how can we make complexity comprehendible and express without simplyfication?
+nicolas osm, complex issues temprerd with in a complex way
+Pierre: writing cards is different then reading cards, the cartographer brings drawing, contextualisatie, persoonlijkheid binnen, the practice of drawing is meaningful,
+pierre: signs are not neutral,
+femke: how to make cards that are feminist in nature, can we start with questioniçng standards? who invented the standards. Subjective is not the same as handdrawn and feminist: te subject and the way it is made are two factors, there are others ...
+Pierre: the vocabulaire is part of the pratcice of map making. Embodied ways of comunication
+How to redesign, redraw maps
+The difference a way of drawing makes.
+Anne Laure: NGI you recreate a country with a map - it is a way to imagine
+Standard ways of drawing allow different ways of imagining. It is a fixing and opening... a movement
+we need standards to refer to ... uithalen ... ontrafelen ... decoudre et coudre
+construction of norms is a history. we need to know it, and read it ... it is important.
+Pierre: the richness of google maps - Isabelle: standards are often not strict; it is not about resistance but it is not so much imposed.
+Peggy: how are they constructed
+Peter: standaard... for video it does not work; you need to vary your ways of making things
+Anne Laure: alfabetisatie rond representatie van data. We need to learn how to read maps...
+Francoise: 13e en 14e eeuw: super abstract maar totaal begrijpelijk.
+AL: informatica is really busy with fixing standards
+P: to have something in common... vernaclar? F: it is cultural. P: i have learned to read maps at school; i learned the minimum... or what they thought i needed to know. The idea was, to give us something we would have in common.
+F: the things that were never on maps...
+P: how did you make changes, decisions
+Fe: how could we work on it?
+Fr: to move from large to small
+Fr: different modes of representations in maps, in function of their use.
+points of reference
+to start with the interface and go back from there ..
+how could the use play a role in the design of an object
+Fr, Ni ... it is always a dialogue
+P: compare a wiki... you understand that a design, development is done over time and by different people.
+go further than complexity
+N: it is not just eficacite, economique... slang: works well -- standards = centralised, bureaucratic.
+P: in mangas you have a kind of map that selects its audience ...
+Peg: a car with only gps ... he forgets to read the sign
+Pe: what if there are no signs / it works when you were used to other systems
+A moving landscape ... how to map that?
+How can you map changes?
+Different layers... here was this before, here will be
+in a map you don't see changes ... even not between day and night
+The element of time.
+a map of the city ... how do you move as a woman after dark
+lOUISELOUIZA that's a bizar prenom, Francoise: it would be interesting to talk with people who are not used to a density of codes like in Bruxels
+... even when you arrive from france this is difficult with bilinguality
+point-it: een visuele tussentaal
+a common code that does not
+what is the price of the fact that we want to be at home, comfortable everywhere? Bruce Sterling
+What is the final frontier?
+to ride on gps only ... trust!
+dropping
+how can you map cartography
+biomapping
+relation entre memory and mapping
+how higher the wall is... things are hidden
+le mise en jour
+at what moment is something dirty or clean
+where does the public and the private meet
+when are you black or white?
+you need to show the complexity... multitude
+graphique ... echanger les graphique
+it is all about comparison
+a map could be the result of a production
+"to take minutes"
+a living archive
+how to qualify the way an object is permanent?