Load more history...\\ Loading history...\\ July 6, 2010\\ 14:35 wwwww: :-p\\ 14:35 PRUTSER: here we chat\\ 14:35 Femke: oh veel beter\\ 14:35 ana: yep\\ 14:35 PRUTSER: stop nicolas from re-installing gnome\\ 14:35 wwwww: mooie kleurstreepjes\\ 14:35 PRUTSER: AAAh\\ 14:36 Femke: trying ... hij is nu niet meer op skype ...\\ 14:37 Femke: mmm... gaat dat lekker snel zo'n lijst\\ 14:40 PRUTSER: ZOEF\\ 14:40 Femke: hey nicolas\\ 14:40 Femke: you're pink\\ 14:41 wwwww: with me h'es blue\\ 14:41 wwwww: funny\\ 14:42 Femke: oops sorry\\ 14:42 Femke: it's an who is pink\\ 14:43 Femke: nicolas can you see the history of this chat?\\ 14:43 Femke: just curious ...\\ 14:46 nicolas: where?\\ 14:46 nicolas: t starts with july 6 and the first message of wwww\\ 14:47 Femke: ok -- so that's different than irc\\ 14:50 ana: hello nicolas!\\ 14:50 wwwww: so you see everything we say\\ 14:52 nicolas: looking at feed page seems broken by update\\ 14:56 wwwww: pity that you cannot hear the verbal confusion\\ 14:56 wwwww: dpot is repository, o, no, opslag\\ 14:57 ana: & in French this is 'Dépôt'\\ 14:58 wwwww: and there is a dangerous button in etherpad: "clear authorship colours!!!"\\ 14:59 nicolas: can you test feed pages?\\ 14:59 Femke: ok ... (need to do all avascript buttons in Opera -- FFox refuses :-\\ 15:00 Femke: :-(\\ 15:00 nicolas: javascript buttons?\\ 15:01 wwwww: !\\ 15:02 PRUTSER: Huge list allready ! Who do we hire to work on this :-)\\ 15:04 wwwww: sighing here\\ 15:07 PRUTSER: HOW LONG DO WE CONTINUE ?\\ 15:10 Femke: i've started a few small things ... to keep optimism\\ 15:10 Femke: nicolas: nothing to do with spip\\ 15:12 wwwww: bizarre phenomenon\\ 15:12 Femke: until 18;00?\\ 15:12 wwwww: site description changes -> depening on where you start from\\ 15:12 wwwww: if you are on the info rubrique and you choose site description\\ 15:13 wwwww: it is different from each starting point - pfft this is hard to describe\\ 15:13 wwwww: I'll make a guided tour on etherpad\\ 15:14 nicolas: can we mark priorities into all this?\\ 15:15 nicolas: which version of explorer femke?\\ 15:16 Femke: michael showed me ... i did not dare to look so need to check\\ 15:17 nicolas: I had a look recently and didnt seem so bad\\ 15:17 Femke: ok. good news. maybe i'll work on it when you are here -- it looked nightmarish on MM machine but can be other reason\\ 15:19 Femke: am looking at rss links ... never really worked on them / how they are placed in template\\ 15:19 nicolas: do they work now?\\ 15:20 wwwww: site description does not work -> it just seemed to contain the info about the licenses because we were on for example this website: http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-About-Constant-.html?article795〈=en\\ 15:23 Femke: rss links seem to work?\\ 15:23 STRUPER: is it time to start? and where ?\\ 15:23 nicolas: Wendy I don't get the problem with site description\\ 15:24 nicolas: site description you mean about constant?\\ 15:24 nicolas: Oh OK I get it!\\ 15:24 wwwww: thanks :-)\\ 15:25 nicolas: it should link to about this site or something\\ 15:25 ana: ok, I've done the tour of French site/metadata\\ 15:25 ana: I'll start doing the change I can\\ 15:26 ana: 4 another day: projects & articles\\ 15:26 ana: ok?\\ 15:28 Femke: ok!\\ 15:33 nicolas: any suggestion on how to achieve the first point?\\ 15:34 wwwww: per day?\\ 15:34 nicolas: you mean?\\ 15:34 wwwww: max filter?\\ 15:34 wwwww: 3 per day in the rss\\ 15:34 wwwww: and then you update yourself\\ 15:35 wwwww: for example: I am Michel and I post 5 articles today on e-traces\\ 15:35 wwwww: only three are shown, but my 4th post replaces my first one\\ 15:36 nicolas: interesting\\ 15:36 wwwww: the 5th -> the 2nd one\\ 15:36 wwwww: perhaps too complicated?\\ 15:36 nicolas: it is just what spip doesn't offer out of the box :-)\\ 15:36 wwwww: what do they offer?\\ 15:37 wwwww: (pity, spippy)\\ 15:38 nicolas: their logic: the most active, the first\\ 15:38 nicolas: and most represented\\ 15:38 nicolas: jungle\\ 15:38 wwwww: yes..\\ 15:38 wwwww: no other choices\\ 15:38 wwwww: ?\\ 15:40 nicolas: rewrite a filter\\ 15:40 wwwww: hmm\\ 15:40 wwwww: is it easier to have only blogpost in the rss os each blog?\\ 15:49 Femke: pfff gardening ...\\ 15:53 wwwww: somethin strange\\ 15:53 wwwww: http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-Reseau-.html -> click on kunstenwerkplaats.be\\ 15:54 nicolas: there is no template for this rubrique\\ 15:55 nicolas: it was not suposed to be accessible within the site but only as external links from mhomepage\\ 15:55 nicolas: but we have 'forgotten' to hide links inside site\\ 15:55 wwwww: oi!\\ 15:56 nicolas: maybe better to make templates for those\\ 15:56 nicolas: wdoyouthink?\\ 15:57 wwwww: how=?\\ 15:57 Femke: yes, let's make template\\ 15:58 Femke: or use existing template\\ 16:01 wwwww: question about bash: does annotation also work with // ?\\ 16:04 nicolas: you mean comment?\\ 16:04 wwwww: yes\\ 16:04 nicolas: I think it is #\\ 16:05 nicolas: You program the server?\\ 16:05 nicolas: a bash cgi?\\ 16:05 wwwww: no :-p\\ 16:05 wwwww: a little bash script\\ 16:05 wwwww: always doing 2 things at a time\\ 16:05 wwwww: converting video and working on spip\\ 16:32 nicolas: would we agree on a sort like this one? http://www.constantvzw.org/site/spip.php?page=keytest\\ 16:33 Femke: what is your recipe now? (looks fine)\\ 16:35 nicolas: wendy's proposal and spaghetti php+boucle\\ 16:36 wwwww: wow - parmesan!\\ 16:36 ana: Tx! Looks great :-)\\ 16:36 Femke: mmmm!\\ 16:36 ana: I have a question for N & F:\\ 16:36 Femke: ok\\ 16:36 Femke: ?\\ 16:36 ana: how do you link 'sections' in different languages?\\ 16:37 STRUPER: Question:\\ 16:37 SUPERTR: does it make sense to flatten the hierarchy in 'info'?\\ 16:37 Femke: /me looking ...\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: Now there is a whole empty tree structure of folders and articles\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: We could put all the articles flat in 'INFO':\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: contact\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: members\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: documents\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: a propos de constant\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: a propos de ce site\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: info\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: contact\\ 16:38 SUPERTR: s'inscrire a la news\\ 16:40 Femke: did we do this to have links to contact + about on top page, nicolas?\\ 16:40 Femke: can't remember ... it is a bit of an arbitrary division\\ 16:41 nicolas: yes, it is to have navigation buttons without having too many links\\ 16:43 nicolas: An, linking to sections go like this\\ 16:43 nicolas: first article translated in a section gives the url of its rubrique to the menu\\ 16:44 nicolas: so if no article is translated\\ 16:44 nicolas: -> no link active in the language menu\\ 16:44 nicolas: if the section doesn't behave like this, this is a bug\\ 16:44 nicolas: and ther are many I spose\\ 16:45 SUPERTR: So: does flattening make sense?\\ 16:45 nicolas: No unless you want to break all navigation\\ 16:45 wwwww: boom\\ 16:45 wwwww: ai por dios\\ 16:46 ana: Merci Nicolas\\ 16:48 SUPERTR: Two votes here against 'OPSLAG4\\ 16:48 SUPERTR: shall we rename it ... Archief ?\\ 16:48 wwwww: silo\\ 16:48 SUPERTR: Any suggestions for names ?\\ 16:49 SUPERTR: Stockage / Depot / rpo\\ 16:49 SUPERTR: Repo\\ 16:49 wwwww: schuur\\ 16:49 SUPERTR: Repositorie\\ 16:49 SUPERTR: 3 x for DEPOT here\\ 16:50 SUPERTR: and you?\\ 16:50 SUPERTR: it should be a democratic decision\\ 16:50 SUPERTR: meaning: unanymus\\ 16:50 SUPERTR: pfff how do you spell that\\ 16:50 SUPERTR: unaniem\\ 16:51 SUPERTR: 5\\ 16:51 SUPERTR: 4\\ 16:51 SUPERTR: 3\\ 16:51 SUPERTR: counting\\ 16:51 SUPERTR: 2\\ 16:51 SUPERTR: 1\\ 16:51 SUPERTR: .....\\ 16:51 SUPERTR: (tromgeroffel ...)\\ 16:51 wwwww: unanimous\\ 16:52 SUPERTR: in stead of Depot?\\ 16:52 nicolas: depot is cooler?\\ 16:52 SUPERTR: cool yes\\ 16:52 nicolas: all fine for me\\ 16:53 SUPERTR: you mean frigo?\\ 16:53 nicolas: Femke I will modify cn_sommaire\\ 16:53 nicolas: do you work on it?\\ 16:56 Femke: oops sorry was in another file\\ 16:56 Femke: i think i renomed to depot already?\\ 16:56 Femke: :-D\\ 16:56 Femke: oh in NL you meen\\ 16:56 Femke: mmmm schuur is leuk\\ 16:56 Femke: stal?\\ 16:57 Femke: (not working in sommaire)\\ 17:00 SUPERTR: QUESTION:\\ 17:00 Femke: YES\\ 17:01 SUPERTR: shall I add to 'network', Network, Reseau:\\ 17:01 SUPERTR: old boys network\\ 17:01 SUPERTR: bko\\ 17:01 SUPERTR: vobk\\ 17:01 SUPERTR: ffii\\ 17:01 SUPERTR: ael\\ 17:01 Femke: ah ... reading the verslag ...\\ 17:01 SUPERTR: ?\\ 17:01 SUPERTR: yes\\ 17:02 Femke: obn: last activity 2003\\ 17:02 Femke: (by a.o. Laurence :-))\\ 17:03 SUPERTR: ok, no OBN\\ 17:03 nicolas: why?\\ 17:03 SUPERTR: you think yes: OBN?\\ 17:03 nicolas: yes it is a matter of historical pride\\ 17:03 nicolas: :-)\\ 17:03 SUPERTR: good\\ 17:03 Femke: yes\\ 17:04 SUPERTR: the rest is ok? anytnig missing?\\ 17:04 SUPERTR: oh yes: Sophia, we are member\\ 17:04 Femke: looks good between others. would link them all; i'll make them appear like this:\\ 17:04 Femke: old boys network, bko, vobk, etc.\\ 17:05 Femke: comma separated list\\ 17:06 Femke: last activity of sophia:\\ 17:06 Femke: De coördinatrices van Sophia zijn met vakantie. "Vanaf eind juli zijn we weer helemaal paraat! Fijne vakantie!"\\ 17:06 SUPERTR: I renewed our membership last week\\ 17:06 Femke: good\\ 17:07 SUPERTR: Have a look at the homepage: Under Netwerk in Dutch, we have a chapter Netwerk\\ 17:07 SUPERTR: a bit much\\ 17:10 Femke: hmmm does not want to appear ...\\ 17:14 nicolas: we called this before affiliations\\ 17:14 nicolas: maybe could reuse the term\\ 17:17 wwwww: hey\\ 17:17 wwwww: I need a re-read of this English\\ 17:17 wwwww: of the introductory text\\ 17:18 wwwww: <---- look there\\ 17:20 Femke: ok, looking ...\\ 17:24 wwwww: internet is slooooowing downnn here\\ 17:25 Femke: restart router?\\ 17:25 wwwww: it's brutele\\ 17:26 wwwww: the five o'clock slowdown\\ 17:28 Femke: nicolas: hope our blog machine michel is not too disappointed that we circumvented him :-)\\ 17:29 wwwww: hihiih\\ 17:30 wwwww: I'm going to meet him tomorrow to talk about going to germany\\ 17:30 Femke: i change the english about? not brilliant but more up to date ...\\ 17:31 wwwww: yes\\ 17:33 wwwww: we are back!\\ 17:33 Femke: http://www.constantvzw.org/site/About-Constant,1.html?var_mode=calcul\\ 17:33 wwwww: the constant definition comes from the dossier\\ 17:33 Femke: yes i recognize ;-)\\ 17:35 ana: f/n: can you have a look at http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-Et-plus-.html\\ 17:35 ana: why do we have 2 headers?\\ 17:35 ana: and no link to other languages?\\ 17:40 ana: please?\\ 17:42 nicolas: ah euh hem\\ 17:42 nicolas: you don't like our little excentricity?\\ 17:44 ana: :-)\\ 17:44 ana: fishing 4 nails on low water\\ 17:44 ana: another question then:\\ 17:45 ana: we're adding articles on 'Network', but on the home page the names link directly to their websites, do we need to add the descriptions of these associations? Sophia...\\ 17:49 nicolas: I have the answer to the first question.\\ 17:49 nicolas: Nicolas has written an article called and other and Femke an article called And More\\ 17:50 nicolas: They both have the keyword index\\ 17:50 Femke: aaargh\\ 17:51 Femke: ok i check and repair .........\\ 17:51 nicolas: I did this article one day when I was translating articles that were only in French\\ 17:51 nicolas: It is done\\ 17:51 Femke: oh :-)\\ 17:52 wwwww: I'm now getting into the swimming pool of press articles\\ 17:52 ana: yes, and I understand why French does not link to other languages\\ 17:52 ana: because frnaçais is Default language - maybe?\\ 17:52 ana: français\\ 17:52 Femke: the index article ... ;-(\\ 17:53 ana: no, sorry, I was wrong\\ 17:56 SUPERTR: Hi there: question:\\ 17:56 SUPERTR: Is this a joke of Nicolas?:\\ 17:56 SUPERTR: click on the keyword 'network' and you get:\\ 17:56 SUPERTR: http://constantvzw.org/site/+-Network-+.html\\ 17:57 Femke: :-) :-D\\ 18:01 nicolas: it is a spip bug when it tries to make the urls search engine friendly\\ 18:01 nicolas: name space collision\\ 18:02 nicolas: An regarding your question\\ 18:02 nicolas: for http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-Et-plus-.html\\ 18:03 nicolas: the problem is that spip takes the first article of the rubrique and looks for its translation\\ 18:03 nicolas: if no translation, no link\\ 18:03 nicolas: the problem is that it takes it not by alpha order but by mysql internal order\\ 18:03 nicolas: to gain speed\\ 18:04 nicolas: we need to do detective work to catch the non-translated article\\ 18:05 nicolas: I made the script insert a comment in the html source with the title of this article that is the hook for translation between rubriques\\ 18:05 nicolas: the comment looks like this\\ 18:05 nicolas: <!--- Translation hook = Séminaire Arts et Féminismes -->\\ 18:05 ana: olala I'm phoning Sherlock Holmes now :-)\\ 18:06 ana: ok\\ 18:06 nicolas: It is rare that the problem happens, but if you search for 'Translation hook' in the source you will see which article to translate\\ 18:07 ana: found it!\\ 18:07 nicolas: can you try creating the language version for this article and see if it solves the problem\\ 18:07 nicolas: there may be other layers in the lasagna\\ 18:09 wwwww: another mysteryyyy: I try to save an article in the dutch section of press\\ 18:09 wwwww: and it is not where it is supposed to be\\ 18:09 wwwww: help!\\ 18:11 ana: nicolas, it is solved by adding the language versions, have a look:http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-Et-plus-.html\\ 18:12 SUPERTR: QUESTION:\\ 18:13 nicolas: to An, super!\\ 18:13 SUPERTR: why is it important that the Reference article is the English article?\\ 18:13 nicolas: because it holds the image\\ 18:13 SUPERTR: ?\\ 18:13 nicolas: so we can upload the image once\\ 18:13 SUPERTR: what image\\ 18:13 nicolas: and use it in the translations\\ 18:14 SUPERTR: ah, and if you upload the image to the dutch article?\\ 18:14 nicolas: funny guy!\\ 18:14 Femke: coucou\\ 18:16 Femke: adding schaerbeek support, and than i stop\\ 18:23 nicolas: To Wendy, having a look\\ 18:23 nicolas: Pers redrects to Press for unidentified reason\\ 18:24 wwwww: i have fixed it\\ 18:24 wwwww: with the help of\\ 18:26 wwwww: but there is another problme there\\ 18:26 wwwww: http://www.constantvzw.org/site/Les-cameras-privees-sont.html\\ 18:26 wwwww: click on nederlands\\ 18:27 wwwww: error 404\\ 18:27 wwwww: sorry\\ 18:28 nicolas: no it is me working on it\\ 18:28 wwwww: aha\\ 18:28 wwwww: ouf!\\ 18:28 nicolas: basically wrong pointers\\ 18:28 nicolas: updated\\ 18:28 SUPERTR: Openetherpad crashes sometimes\\ 18:30 Femke: oh ... i have really srange jscript things in ffox and opera\\ 18:30 Femke: if i type a normal w, the post closes and saves\\ 18:31 wwwww: ooooo\\ 18:31 wwwww: peter is leaving the building\\ 18:33 wwwww: where shall we save this etherpad?\\ 18:34 Femke: i've reorganised ... a lot done!!\\ 18:34 Femke: on wiki\\ 18:34 wwwww: can I click on save revisions?\\ 18:34 wwwww: doneit\\ 18:34 wwwww: done it\\ 18:35 ana: super team :-)\\ 18:35 ana: tx!\\ 18:35 nicolas: tralalalalla!\\ 18:35 Femke: you need to export i think and than paste in wiki?\\ 18:36 nicolas: euh does it export the chat too?\\ 18:36 nicolas: because there are a lot of helpdesk info here...\\