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July 6, 2010
14:35 wwwww: :-p
14:35 PRUTSER: here we chat
14:35 Femke: oh veel beter
14:35 ana: yep
14:35 PRUTSER: stop nicolas from re-installing gnome
14:35 wwwww: mooie kleurstreepjes
14:35 PRUTSER: AAAh
14:36 Femke: trying … hij is nu niet meer op skype …
14:37 Femke: mmm… gaat dat lekker snel zo'n lijst
14:40 PRUTSER: ZOEF
14:40 Femke: hey nicolas
14:40 Femke: you're pink
14:41 wwwww: with me h'es blue
14:41 wwwww: funny
14:42 Femke: oops sorry
14:42 Femke: it's an who is pink
14:43 Femke: nicolas can you see the history of this chat?
14:43 Femke: just curious …
14:46 nicolas: where?
14:46 nicolas: t starts with july 6 and the first message of wwww
14:47 Femke: ok – so that's different than irc
14:50 ana: hello nicolas!
14:50 wwwww: so you see everything we say
14:52 nicolas: looking at feed page seems broken by update
14:56 wwwww: pity that you cannot hear the verbal confusion
14:56 wwwww: dpot is repository, o, no, opslag
14:57 ana: & in French this is 'Dépôt'
14:58 wwwww: and there is a dangerous button in etherpad: “clear authorship colours!!!”
14:59 nicolas: can you test feed pages?
14:59 Femke: ok … (need to do all avascript buttons in Opera – FFox refuses \ 15:00 Femke:
15:00 nicolas: javascript buttons?
15:01 wwwww: !
15:02 PRUTSER: Huge list allready ! Who do we hire to work on this
15:04 wwwww: sighing here
15:07 PRUTSER: HOW LONG DO WE CONTINUE ?
15:10 Femke: i've started a few small things … to keep optimism
15:10 Femke: nicolas: nothing to do with spip
15:12 wwwww: bizarre phenomenon
15:12 Femke: until 18;00?
15:12 wwwww: site description changes → depening on where you start from
15:12 wwwww: if you are on the info rubrique and you choose site description
15:13 wwwww: it is different from each starting point - pfft this is hard to describe
15:13 wwwww: I'll make a guided tour on etherpad
15:14 nicolas: can we mark priorities into all this?
15:15 nicolas: which version of explorer femke?
15:16 Femke: michael showed me … i did not dare to look so need to check
15:17 nicolas: I had a look recently and didnt seem so bad
15:17 Femke: ok. good news. maybe i'll work on it when you are here – it looked nightmarish on MM machine but can be other reason
15:19 Femke: am looking at rss links … never really worked on them / how they are placed in template
15:19 nicolas: do they work now?
15:20 wwwww: site description does not work → it just seemed to contain the info about the licenses because we were on for example this website: http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-About-Constant-.html?article795〈=en
15:23 Femke: rss links seem to work?
15:23 STRUPER: is it time to start? and where ?
15:23 nicolas: Wendy I don't get the problem with site description
15:24 nicolas: site description you mean about constant?
15:24 nicolas: Oh OK I get it!
15:24 wwwww: thanks
15:25 nicolas: it should link to about this site or something
15:25 ana: ok, I've done the tour of French site/metadata
15:25 ana: I'll start doing the change I can
15:26 ana: 4 another day: projects & articles
15:26 ana: ok?
15:28 Femke: ok!
15:33 nicolas: any suggestion on how to achieve the first point?
15:34 wwwww: per day?
15:34 nicolas: you mean?
15:34 wwwww: max filter?
15:34 wwwww: 3 per day in the rss
15:34 wwwww: and then you update yourself
15:35 wwwww: for example: I am Michel and I post 5 articles today on e-traces
15:35 wwwww: only three are shown, but my 4th post replaces my first one
15:36 nicolas: interesting
15:36 wwwww: the 5th → the 2nd one
15:36 wwwww: perhaps too complicated?
15:36 nicolas: it is just what spip doesn't offer out of the box
15:36 wwwww: what do they offer?
15:37 wwwww: (pity, spippy)
15:38 nicolas: their logic: the most active, the first
15:38 nicolas: and most represented
15:38 nicolas: jungle
15:38 wwwww: yes..
15:38 wwwww: no other choices
15:38 wwwww: ?
15:40 nicolas: rewrite a filter
15:40 wwwww: hmm
15:40 wwwww: is it easier to have only blogpost in the rss os each blog?
15:49 Femke: pfff gardening …
15:53 wwwww: somethin strange
15:53 wwwww: http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-Reseau-.html → click on kunstenwerkplaats.be
15:54 nicolas: there is no template for this rubrique
15:55 nicolas: it was not suposed to be accessible within the site but only as external links from mhomepage
15:55 nicolas: but we have 'forgotten' to hide links inside site
15:55 wwwww: oi!
15:56 nicolas: maybe better to make templates for those
15:56 nicolas: wdoyouthink?
15:57 wwwww: how=?
15:57 Femke: yes, let's make template
15:58 Femke: or use existing template
16:01 wwwww: question about bash: does annotation also work with ?
16:04 nicolas: you mean comment?
16:04 wwwww: yes
16:04 nicolas: I think it is #
16:05 nicolas: You program the server?
16:05 nicolas: a bash cgi?
16:05 wwwww: no :-p
16:05 wwwww: a little bash script
16:05 wwwww: always doing 2 things at a time
16:05 wwwww: converting video and working on spip
16:32 nicolas: would we agree on a sort like this one? http://www.constantvzw.org/site/spip.php?page=keytest
16:33 Femke: what is your recipe now? (looks fine)
16:35 nicolas: wendy's proposal and spaghetti php+boucle
16:36 wwwww: wow - parmesan!
16:36 ana: Tx! Looks great
16:36 Femke: mmmm!
16:36 ana: I have a question for N & F:
16:36 Femke: ok
16:36 Femke: ?
16:36 ana: how do you link 'sections' in different languages?
16:37 STRUPER: Question:
16:37 SUPERTR: does it make sense to flatten the hierarchy in 'info'?
16:37 Femke: /me looking …
16:38 SUPERTR: Now there is a whole empty tree structure of folders and articles
16:38 SUPERTR: We could put all the articles flat in 'INFO':
16:38 SUPERTR: contact
16:38 SUPERTR: members
16:38 SUPERTR: documents
16:38 SUPERTR: a propos de constant
16:38 SUPERTR: a propos de ce site
16:38 SUPERTR: info
16:38 SUPERTR: contact
16:38 SUPERTR: s'inscrire a la news
16:40 Femke: did we do this to have links to contact + about on top page, nicolas?
16:40 Femke: can't remember … it is a bit of an arbitrary division
16:41 nicolas: yes, it is to have navigation buttons without having too many links
16:43 nicolas: An, linking to sections go like this
16:43 nicolas: first article translated in a section gives the url of its rubrique to the menu
16:44 nicolas: so if no article is translated
16:44 nicolas: → no link active in the language menu
16:44 nicolas: if the section doesn't behave like this, this is a bug
16:44 nicolas: and ther are many I spose
16:45 SUPERTR: So: does flattening make sense?
16:45 nicolas: No unless you want to break all navigation
16:45 wwwww: boom
16:45 wwwww: ai por dios
16:46 ana: Merci Nicolas
16:48 SUPERTR: Two votes here against 'OPSLAG4
16:48 SUPERTR: shall we rename it … Archief ?
16:48 wwwww: silo
16:48 SUPERTR: Any suggestions for names ?
16:49 SUPERTR: Stockage / Depot / rpo
16:49 SUPERTR: Repo
16:49 wwwww: schuur
16:49 SUPERTR: Repositorie
16:49 SUPERTR: 3 x for DEPOT here
16:50 SUPERTR: and you?
16:50 SUPERTR: it should be a democratic decision
16:50 SUPERTR: meaning: unanymus
16:50 SUPERTR: pfff how do you spell that
16:50 SUPERTR: unaniem
16:51 SUPERTR: 5
16:51 SUPERTR: 4
16:51 SUPERTR: 3
16:51 SUPERTR: counting
16:51 SUPERTR: 2
16:51 SUPERTR: 1
16:51 SUPERTR: …..
16:51 SUPERTR: (tromgeroffel …)
16:51 wwwww: unanimous
16:52 SUPERTR: in stead of Depot?
16:52 nicolas: depot is cooler?
16:52 SUPERTR: cool yes
16:52 nicolas: all fine for me
16:53 SUPERTR: you mean frigo?
16:53 nicolas: Femke I will modify cn_sommaire
16:53 nicolas: do you work on it?
16:56 Femke: oops sorry was in another file
16:56 Femke: i think i renomed to depot already?
16:56 Femke:
16:56 Femke: oh in NL you meen
16:56 Femke: mmmm schuur is leuk
16:56 Femke: stal?
16:57 Femke: (not working in sommaire)
17:00 SUPERTR: QUESTION:
17:00 Femke: YES
17:01 SUPERTR: shall I add to 'network', Network, Reseau:
17:01 SUPERTR: old boys network
17:01 SUPERTR: bko
17:01 SUPERTR: vobk
17:01 SUPERTR: ffii
17:01 SUPERTR: ael
17:01 Femke: ah … reading the verslag …
17:01 SUPERTR: ?
17:01 SUPERTR: yes
17:02 Femke: obn: last activity 2003
17:02 Femke: (by a.o. Laurence )
17:03 SUPERTR: ok, no OBN
17:03 nicolas: why?
17:03 SUPERTR: you think yes: OBN?
17:03 nicolas: yes it is a matter of historical pride
17:03 nicolas:
17:03 SUPERTR: good
17:03 Femke: yes
17:04 SUPERTR: the rest is ok? anytnig missing?
17:04 SUPERTR: oh yes: Sophia, we are member
17:04 Femke: looks good between others. would link them all; i'll make them appear like this:
17:04 Femke: old boys network, bko, vobk, etc.
17:05 Femke: comma separated list
17:06 Femke: last activity of sophia:
17:06 Femke: De coördinatrices van Sophia zijn met vakantie. “Vanaf eind juli zijn we weer helemaal paraat! Fijne vakantie!”
17:06 SUPERTR: I renewed our membership last week
17:06 Femke: good
17:07 SUPERTR: Have a look at the homepage: Under Netwerk in Dutch, we have a chapter Netwerk
17:07 SUPERTR: a bit much
17:10 Femke: hmmm does not want to appear …
17:14 nicolas: we called this before affiliations
17:14 nicolas: maybe could reuse the term
17:17 wwwww: hey
17:17 wwwww: I need a re-read of this English
17:17 wwwww: of the introductory text
17:18 wwwww: ←— look there
17:20 Femke: ok, looking …
17:24 wwwww: internet is slooooowing downnn here
17:25 Femke: restart router?
17:25 wwwww: it's brutele
17:26 wwwww: the five o'clock slowdown
17:28 Femke: nicolas: hope our blog machine michel is not too disappointed that we circumvented him
17:29 wwwww: hihiih
17:30 wwwww: I'm going to meet him tomorrow to talk about going to germany
17:30 Femke: i change the english about? not brilliant but more up to date …
17:31 wwwww: yes
17:33 wwwww: we are back!
17:33 Femke: http://www.constantvzw.org/site/About-Constant,1.html?var_mode=calcul
17:33 wwwww: the constant definition comes from the dossier
17:33 Femke: yes i recognize
17:35 ana: f/n: can you have a look at http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-Et-plus-.html
17:35 ana: why do we have 2 headers?
17:35 ana: and no link to other languages?
17:40 ana: please?
17:42 nicolas: ah euh hem
17:42 nicolas: you don't like our little excentricity?
17:44 ana:
17:44 ana: fishing 4 nails on low water
17:44 ana: another question then:
17:45 ana: we're adding articles on 'Network', but on the home page the names link directly to their websites, do we need to add the descriptions of these associations? Sophia…
17:49 nicolas: I have the answer to the first question.
17:49 nicolas: Nicolas has written an article called and other and Femke an article called And More
17:50 nicolas: They both have the keyword index
17:50 Femke: aaargh
17:51 Femke: ok i check and repair ………
17:51 nicolas: I did this article one day when I was translating articles that were only in French
17:51 nicolas: It is done
17:51 Femke: oh
17:52 wwwww: I'm now getting into the swimming pool of press articles
17:52 ana: yes, and I understand why French does not link to other languages
17:52 ana: because frnaçais is Default language - maybe?
17:52 ana: français
17:52 Femke: the index article … ;-(
17:53 ana: no, sorry, I was wrong
17:56 SUPERTR: Hi there: question:
17:56 SUPERTR: Is this a joke of Nicolas?:
17:56 SUPERTR: click on the keyword 'network' and you get:
17:56 SUPERTR: http://constantvzw.org/site/+-Network-+.html
17:57 Femke:
18:01 nicolas: it is a spip bug when it tries to make the urls search engine friendly
18:01 nicolas: name space collision
18:02 nicolas: An regarding your question
18:02 nicolas: for http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-Et-plus-.html
18:03 nicolas: the problem is that spip takes the first article of the rubrique and looks for its translation
18:03 nicolas: if no translation, no link
18:03 nicolas: the problem is that it takes it not by alpha order but by mysql internal order
18:03 nicolas: to gain speed
18:04 nicolas: we need to do detective work to catch the non-translated article
18:05 nicolas: I made the script insert a comment in the html source with the title of this article that is the hook for translation between rubriques
18:05 nicolas: the comment looks like this
18:05 nicolas: <!— Translation hook = Séminaire Arts et Féminismes –>
18:05 ana: olala I'm phoning Sherlock Holmes now
18:06 ana: ok
18:06 nicolas: It is rare that the problem happens, but if you search for 'Translation hook' in the source you will see which article to translate
18:07 ana: found it!
18:07 nicolas: can you try creating the language version for this article and see if it solves the problem
18:07 nicolas: there may be other layers in the lasagna
18:09 wwwww: another mysteryyyy: I try to save an article in the dutch section of press
18:09 wwwww: and it is not where it is supposed to be
18:09 wwwww: help!
18:11 ana: nicolas, it is solved by adding the language versions, have a look:http://www.constantvzw.org/site/-Et-plus-.html
18:12 SUPERTR: QUESTION:
18:13 nicolas: to An, super!
18:13 SUPERTR: why is it important that the Reference article is the English article?
18:13 nicolas: because it holds the image
18:13 SUPERTR: ?
18:13 nicolas: so we can upload the image once
18:13 SUPERTR: what image
18:13 nicolas: and use it in the translations
18:14 SUPERTR: ah, and if you upload the image to the dutch article?
18:14 nicolas: funny guy!
18:14 Femke: coucou
18:16 Femke: adding schaerbeek support, and than i stop
18:23 nicolas: To Wendy, having a look
18:23 nicolas: Pers redrects to Press for unidentified reason
18:24 wwwww: i have fixed it
18:24 wwwww: with the help of
18:26 wwwww: but there is another problme there
18:26 wwwww: http://www.constantvzw.org/site/Les-cameras-privees-sont.html
18:26 wwwww: click on nederlands
18:27 wwwww: error 404
18:27 wwwww: sorry
18:28 nicolas: no it is me working on it
18:28 wwwww: aha
18:28 wwwww: ouf!
18:28 nicolas: basically wrong pointers
18:28 nicolas: updated
18:28 SUPERTR: Openetherpad crashes sometimes
18:30 Femke: oh … i have really srange jscript things in ffox and opera
18:30 Femke: if i type a normal w, the post closes and saves
18:31 wwwww: ooooo
18:31 wwwww: peter is leaving the building
18:33 wwwww: where shall we save this etherpad?
18:34 Femke: i've reorganised … a lot done!!
18:34 Femke: on wiki
18:34 wwwww: can I click on save revisions?
18:34 wwwww: doneit
18:34 wwwww: done it
18:35 ana: super team
18:35 ana: tx!
18:35 nicolas: tralalalalla!
18:35 Femke: you need to export i think and than paste in wiki?
18:36 nicolas: euh does it export the chat too?
18:36 nicolas: because there are a lot of helpdesk info here…